In a Time of Crisis
by Daniel K. Eisenbud | photography by Jordan Hollender
Medium- and long-term monetary issues, says Conference Board chief economist Bart van Ark, are as crucial to address now as are short-term consequences.
The global economy is experiencing an unprecedented perfect storm.
Markets have tumbled, the financial industry has imploded, corporate
profits are down, unemployment is up, consumer confidence is
at historic lows, and investors are utterly disillusioned. Even the
most sanguine observers aren’t assuaged by the promise of a reconciliatory
“Yes we can!” political shift.
Bart van Ark, The Conference Board’s chief economist, has his
hands full trying to make sense of it all. As an internationally recognized
expert in global comparative studies of economic performance,
productivity, and innovation, he not only provides perspective on
what the U.S. and global economies can expect in 2009 but also explains
why all may not be as dark as it seems when looking beyond.
Van Ark spoke with TCB Review senior editor Daniel K. Eisenbud
at the Board’s New York offices.
Will things get easier in the United States anytime soon?
Not soon, no. I agree with the consensus that
we have a good chance of getting out of negative-
growth territory, which we are in now,
by the second half of 2009. By that time, we
will have had a full year of no growth. This
is not just a typical short business-cycle dip.
There are many underlying structural problems
— notably, the credit crisis and the huge
imbalances between spending, saving, and
borrowing within the U.S. economy and globally.
These problems will take substantial
time to resolve.
We at The Conference Board recently
deepened our recession forecast for the U.S.
economy, for three reasons. One reason is
that consumer spending in the fourth quarter
showed no sign of stabilizing following
the huge decline in the third quarter. The
shock effects of the financial-market troubles
last October, and the fact that we still
haven’t seen the housing market bottom
out, have made consumers very cautious. A
second reason is that capital spending began
to turn sharply negative in the fourth quarter.
Businesses clearly have shelved investment
plans to wait out the storm. Capital
spending will likely remain negative in the
first and second quarters before getting out
of negative territory later in 2009. And a
third reason is that because of the slowdown
of global growth, export growth —
which was one of the few bright spots in the
first half of 2008 — needs to be adjusted
downward.
Inflation pretty much disappeared during
the fourth quarter of 2008, almost entirely
due to oil and gas prices coming down. But
this will not give much relief, as it will probably
be a windfall for a few quarters at
best, and we won’t see consumption boosted
much by it. I would expect to see inflation
go back up to 2 percent or
maybe even 3 percent sooner
rather than later.
Is the housing market
still the most important
factor in the
downturn?
The housing market has
been slowing for almost
three years. Housing starts
were at over 2.2 million units
per month in early 2006;
higher numbers were only
seen back in the early 1970s.
Now housing starts are
collapsing to perhaps the
lowest number ever — below
650,000 units by mid-2009.
Prices will continue to show
a downward trend, and this
will put more homeowners
in financial difficulty, particularly
in the current economic
environment. The
only ways out of this are cheaper mortgages
and, more importantly, mortgages that are
easier to get.
Credit standards have tightened enormously,
and we see this not only in housing
but in credit cards, auto loans, and personal
loans. Things may ease up a little,
since interbank lending rates have come
down from the extreme levels of last October,
but they remain very high, and the
concerns of the banks are very substantial. Many of them are on liquidity lifelines from
the governments right now, making them
extremely risk-averse.
Banks being in trouble, of course,
raises the specter of the Great Depression. is a comparison to
today’s crisis fair?
Part of it is fair — any financial crisis is
characterized by a massive systemic failure.
We’ve had a few of those between the
Great Depression and now, but the current
crisis is particularly serious because of the
large contagion effects that have spread
rapidly throughout the global system — not
only in the United States, as was the case
in the 1930s, but around the world. So
from the viewpoint of global contagion, this
episode is at least as serious as during the
Depression.
There are two fundamental differences,
though. First, the world economy today — particularly
the advanced economies — has a
much higher living standard than was the
case in the 1930s, or even in the 1970s and
1980s. The number of people falling back
into poverty is low compared to the Depression,
notwithstanding the huge financial
problems that an increasing number of
households face. Additionally, the doubledigit
unemployment that we were seeing at
that time, or even back in 1982 and 1983,
does not compare to the projected 8.3
percent unemployment level we forecast by
the end of 2009.
Another difference between this and previous
times is that, whether one agrees with
it or not, the government stepped in very
early in this crisis. In the 1930s, it took the
government three or four years to intervene.
Until that time, they basically left the resolution
of the crisis to the markets.
Do you see a clear role for government
in resolving this crisis?
I think the main lesson of the Great Depression
— which is that governments need to act
quickly to help stem such a crisis — has been
taken to heart. But we haven’t experienced
such massive interventions before. I am concerned
about how to make the unwinding
of all this government involvement happen
in an orderly way — both from the perspective
of how to deal with the huge deficits
that we are building up and from the viewpoint
of how to see markets get their stakes
back.
Do November’s election results
change anything?
Not for the immediate future. Any president elect
would have faced the same very dire
economic environment, and turning things
around quickly is unlikely in the current
situation. President Obama’s economic
team has some really
tough questions to
work on. They need to
determine whether
there will be a fiscal stimulus
plan and, if
so, who will benefit
from it — is it going
to primarily be consumers,
business, or
government investments?
They need to
radically redesign the
financial architecture.
They need to redefine
their leadership role
in international negotiations.
These are not
easy challenges to face.
Also, given the fact that the budget deficit
is already very large, the new administration
cannot afford many new big-ticket items.
I don’t think we are likely to see a quick
“Roosevelt effect” — at that time, in the
1930s, it also took several years before the
U.S. economy was back on track. The recovery
will need to come from exploiting the
long-term growth potential of the economy.
So the recession could linger until
new growth opportunities bear
fruit?
Exactly. It’s one of those terrible catch-22
situations in which both the financial and
the non-financial sector need to move . . .
but won’t as long as the other stays put. As
credit markets remain choked, new growth
opportunities cannot be exploited. So businesses
do not invest, consumers do not
spend, and jobs get lost. As investors and
consumers decide to wait this out, the unwinding
of the financial crisis is only going
to take longer. The large amounts of liquidity
that have been pumped into the economy
will not take effect as long as banks are
holding themselves back, and there will be
fewer incentives to devise a more workable
financial architecture.
If some confidence and trust could be
restored between the various parts of the
economy — notably between financial institutions
and corporations — we may see investment
pick up. That’s when we may see
things improving in the second half of 2009.
But if that does not happen, it will take several
more years of slow growth before we are
back on our feet. The challenge is bigger
now than, for example, during the 1980s as
the problems are more global.
Is the global recession already a
reality too?
It depends on how you define recession. On
an annual basis, the world economy grew
nearly 4 percent in 2008, so we are not falling
off a cliff. But we have seen growth come
down rapidly from the extraordinarily fast
growth of 5 percent in 2006 and 2007. There
certainly are cyclical elements to this slowdown,
as some economies, notably in Europe,
were beginning to reach their supply
capacity, which determines what we call their
current potential output growth rate. But the
financial-market crisis has created a lot of
uncertainty, which has impacted business
sentiment and consumer confidence and created
a negative spiral. Both Europe and the
United States showed a significant contraction
in the fourth quarter. The emerging
economies are also slowing down on exports
and foreign direct investment — maybe by two
percentage points — but because of their high
growth rates of domestic investment and consumption,
they’re not actually contracting.
What does this mean for global
growth in 2009 and beyond?
In 2009, we are going to lose at least another
full percentage point in
global growth, down to
under 3 percent. But if
the domestic markets
in emerging economies
slow down more than
anticipated, it could be
more. That’s what I am
most worried about,
as the emerging economies
currently pull
the train for more than
90 percent of all the
global growth that is
left. What’s more, that
could mean we might
be looking at several
years of slow growth.
And, importantly, in
these countries we see
large groups of low-income households that
are on the brink of becoming part of the
middle class, for which the likelihood of falling
back into absolute poverty is substantial
if their economies seriously slow down.
That’s not a good prospect, and we need to
look for ways to avoid it.
The question is whether emerging economies
have the ability to cushion some of
these problems internally. In the case of
China, the central government has been actively
trying to soften some of the effects of
the current crisis on the domestic sector by
providing larger amounts of liquidity, and by
launching a $586 billion spending program
on railways, airports, and other infrastructure,
as well as on social-welfare projects. They
have the capital to do that, and it will pay off
more quickly in emerging economies than in
advanced ones. So in that sense, I remain
optimistic about the emerging economies.
You stress the need to focus on the
medium and long term. What lessons
can this crisis teach us?
The most important lesson remains a positive
one: The past ten to fifteen years of very
rapid growth have shown that capitalism
and the role of market forces fundamentally
stimulate economic growth and development
worldwide. What led to the 2008 crisis is not
a new phenomenon: Books have been written
about this. In a nutshell, a long-term economic
growth phase — which may last between
two and four decades — is originally
supported by an increase in financial capital.
Once such a growth phase matures, finance
tends to create tools to raise earnings
beyond what the underlying collateral suggests
things are worth.
Instead of providing the lubricant for the
global growth engine, finance has become a
goal in itself. Indeed, finance activity has become
a major source of income, not just for
banks and non-financial institutions but also
for the businesses in the real economy — suggesting
that returns on such activities became
higher than returns on the core business
of many non-financial industries.
Why did so many people miscalculate
and make the same wrong gamble?
I think it’s part of the nature of this kind
of crises. In hindsight, it seems that overleveraging
and extreme risk-spreading ran
way ahead of what could be carried in the
real world. While there is not much new
to that story, the problem always emerges
somewhat differently. We may have seen the
problems arising by looking at the numbers
— which we did, for example, in housing and
in the global imbalances in capital shortages
and surpluses — and many have speculated
about many possible elephants in the room.
But the party went on too long, supported
by globalization, insufficient oversight, and
loose monetary policy. Many can say they
saw some of this coming. But it was too difficult
to get out of the room until the real
elephant started moving, and everything ran
away at the same time.
So how do we begin climbing back
toward long-term sustainable
growth? First and foremost, we need to restore confidence
in the economy — confidence and
trust. The breakdown of trust in the financial
sector is of course an acute problem,
and is being addressed. But there are deeper
issues between the financial and the nonfinancial
sectors, and between society and
business. Any government — whether it’s the
new U.S. administration or any current government
in Europe, Asia, or another region —
needs to work on that, and it requires some
serious self-reflection.
The second important action is to accelerate
the technology and innovation agenda
to speed up our chance to enter a new
growth phase. Information and communication
technology have created huge productivity
benefits for business, government,
and society around the world, but I don’t
think it has run its course yet. The Conference
Board just started a large project with
Telefónica in Spain to study the economic,
social, and cultural effects of communication
technologies. Obviously, there are also
huge opportunities to step up the efforts for
a sustainable growth agenda, which integrates
environmental technology with innovations
in ICT, bioenergy, and other technology
areas. Businesses can play a huge
role in seizing these opportunities now.
The third matter is that the globalization
that has been evolving over the past decade
or so — and has helped capital and labor
flow to the most productive and efficient
uses in the world — must continue its course.
A return to inward-looking policies will
destroy more economic value than the current
financial crisis.
How will coordination in this
global economic environment take
effect?
There will be calls for more international
coordination on trade, global finance, migration,
and climate issues. Some kind of regulatory
or oversight framework may be unavoidable,
but it will be a big challenge to
make it practical and workable. An important
lesson from the current crisis is that
transparency and clarity are needed, given
the greater complexity of global relationships.
This is also a particularly appropriate
time to address the role of emerging
economies in international forums. We need
clearer rules of the game to create a level
playing field.
But the game itself has radically
changed — and the rules are changing
too. Won’t it simply mean more
regulations and government intervention?
There’s going to be a lot of debate about
this, but I cannot imagine that after so
many years of benefiting from globalization,
the ultimate outcome can be anything else
than support for global markets and competition.
The legitimization for government intervention
is the existence of externalities,
meaning that the actions of one party make
another better or worse off by changing their
utility or cost. Without transparency, externalities
can easily turn negative, as markets
cannot price the cost incurred. Governments
are there to provide the environment in
which the rules will be established and need
to be adhered to. But in the end, it is the
market players who have to play the game.
It’s going to be a while until that debate settles
down.
Going back to the United States,
what are the opportunities for employment?
In the short run, there is not all that much
good news. Government jobs and services,
like health and education, will continue to
grow at a reasonable rate even in the midst
of the economic crisis — and any stimulation
program might even help. But the increasing
budget deficit reduces the potential. It is also
likely that sectors that are benefiting from
investment in emerging economies, such as
industries that produce construction materials
and machinery, will be able to limit employment
losses. The other piece of good
news is that U.S. companies have become
hugely productive, so there is little fat. In particular,
companies will be cautious in slashing
high-skill jobs too quickly.
Are workers again becoming our
most precious asset?
I think they have always been, but we will
come to realize this more strongly than ever
once we get out of this crisis. Workers embody
what we may call human capital, which
in the long run is no doubt the scarcest asset
for virtually any company. It’s a matter of resolving
a mismatch in supply and demand.
The United States and other advanced economies
are seeing their
baby-boom generation
retiring, and there is
too little supply, particularly
in high-skill jobs.
The education system
is trying to adjust, but
the impact on the labor
market is slow. Meanwhile,
skilled workers
from emerging economies
will find more
opportunities at home.
As a result, the cost of high-skilled labor
may increase a lot — another source of underlying
inflation in the long run.
So investment in tangible capital, such as
structures and machinery, is much needed
to get the economy in a recovery mode. But
investment in human capital, including
health and education — and other types of
intangible capital, such as knowledge and
organization capital — is the only recipe to
get back on track. These may sound like issues
for the long run, but they deserve as
much attention today as the immediate problems
on our plate.